The first trail starts near Warner Springs
33.33080° N, 116.70924° W
if we leave San Clemente Carl's Jr. at 7am, we arrive about 8:30. If anyone prefers to meet there, that also works.
The first trail will be about 3 hours, depending on how many side trails we take.
The second trail is at
33.56774° N, 116.51176° W
best guess is starting about 12:30 or 1:00, but hard to say exactly. Also about 3 hours, but it depends.